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Angiecha
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:27:00 AM Quote
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Got my Rheumy appointment today. As I am 'in remission' I go once a year. This time though I am armed with the NRAS 10 Healthcare Essentials and will ask what my DAS score is, request a blood test and ask advice about exercise (difficult with sore feet and hands).

Also, having read the foot care article on here will be asking to see a podiatrist.

Don't know why, I get anxious when seeing the consultant and tend to forget everything or dismiss my problems rather than discuss but I am also armed with a crib sheet this time.

Scared

Angie
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Paul Barrett
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:46:16 AM Quote
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I use a crib sheet all the time with my appointments - my memory is so awful. My doctors like the fact that I am armed. Smile
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Angiecha
#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:04:57 AM Quote
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I start off well by keeping a diary but then forget. I am normally miraculously devoid of any pain at my appointments but so far this morning have my normal hands, knees and a bumpsy daisy pains.

When I read on the forum what other RAers are going through I sometimes feel a bit of a fraud with mine and then lucky that mine is under good control.

Will practise my assertiveness and hopefully 'man up' at my appointment.
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Angiecha
#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:05:00 AM Quote
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I start off well by keeping a diary but then forget. I am normally miraculously devoid of any pain at my appointments but so far this morning have my normal hands, knees and a bumpsy daisy pains.

When I read on the forum what other RAers are going through I sometimes feel a bit of a fraud with mine and then lucky that mine is under good control.

Will practise my assertiveness and hopefully 'man up' at my appointment.
Be yourself - everyone else is taken. XX
Paul Barrett
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:09:23 AM Quote
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Actually I do two things.

1. Keep a symptoms diary (in Excel with some funky graphs to plot pain versus effort)
2. Create a crib sheet of points to discuss, just before the appointment.

And then, of course, I have to remember to take them with me. It's not unknown for to forget - darn medications
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Angiecha
#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:36:51 PM Quote
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Well, still in remission which is good. Although pain levels are increased it's not to be worried about so I'm a lucky lady really.

Blood pressure and pulse high but have an appointment about that tomorrow.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:08:48 PM Quote
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Angie

That is wonderful news and long may your remission continue.

Hope you have a lovely Christmas

Lisa x
gogs
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:30:32 PM Quote
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Hi Angie or someone else,

Please advise me as I am confused.

How can you have joint pains and be in remission?
What is the criteria for deciding you're in remission.Confused

Gogs
Angiecha
#9 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:32:54 AM Quote
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I think it's because my pain is mild in comparison with people with very active RA Gogs. I have very little restriction in movement and my stiffness reduces when I move around. Although in remission I still have general joint pain and occasional flares.
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I'm wearing my orthotics again which supposedly will help my toes but I suspect that is not true as my toes still have to bend when I walk. They also jab at me when I am seated. Mind you, I can feel the arch support of the orthotics which is rather nice - just hope they don't cause callouses again.
Sad

I am very lucky in that my RA was diagnosed quickly and my medication was right first time so I don't have any joint deterioration that I am aware of.
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Wish everybody was as lucky as I have been so far.

Angie
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:10:18 PM Quote
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gogs wrote:
Hi Angie or someone else,

Please advise me as I am confused.

How can you have joint pains and be in remission?

Gogs


I would think that where permanent damage has been done to a joint, that you might still feel pain in it, even if you're in remission? Just a theory - I have no personal experience on which to base it.
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suzanne_p
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:58:17 PM Quote
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hi Angie,

great news your in remission although suffering with some pain.

i've been in remission or clinical remission as they call it a good 18 months now i should think, having started Humira August 2011 which has been my magic potion.

it means i have a good DAS Score, CRP and ESR are low, but they can fluctuate, but i was told not to concentrate on the numbers more on how i feel.

my pain isn't bad, the worst pain i have is my left wrist ( which is swollen ) and if i turn quickly or not right is painful and my knee's but they are shot to piece's with Osteo and probably have RA in them now. but when i am sitting or lying down i feel no pain from them.

my worst problem is fatigue, but my Consultant knows that i'm not a good sleeper so we take this into consideration when i answer on a scale of 1-100 in my DAS Score.

hope this helps Gogs,

Suzanne

so the above is what make's me in remission.
gogs
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:55:11 PM Quote
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Thank you so much for all your replies - so when I do get to that nirvana called remission, I'll still have painConfused RollEyes

I'm not there yet as I've not really been well looked after in my first year, at present I'm helped with injectable steroids but they're beginning
to wear off now. My DAS only done for the first time in October (diagnosed in July 2012!) was 5.98, it's now 4.76.

I've never had a raised ESR or CRP but that is normal in some people, the liver just doesn't make the proteins and no-one knows why.

Like you Suzanne I too experience fatigue which is really wearing, and again like you I have really poor sleep. This has only happened since
October (could it be the steroids?), before then I had a fantastic sleep pattern.

Thanks again

Gogs xxSmile
Paul Barrett
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:44:36 PM Quote
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Steroids will certainly disturb your sleep patterns - what dose are you on Gogs?

I am currently on 17mg and I just accept that some time between noon and 3pm I will need to crash out for a couple of hours. I have even gone back to be at 10:30 having only got up an hour beforehand.

But fatigue has many other causes - the active disease, the anti-inflammatories, pain relief, DMARDs, anti-TNFs, depression - these can all contribute. Great huh?
Paul Barrett

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Paul Barrett
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:47:20 PM Quote
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... and Vitamin D and Iron deficiencies will also contribute to fatigue.
Paul Barrett

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gogs
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:32:54 PM Quote
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Hi Paul,

I take 10mg daily orally and have done for the past year. Recently though I've been having IM injections of 120mg a time.
It's only since I started on those. I'm thinking even the pain is better than such a loss of sleep. I wake up between 2-3a.m every night,
I've been doing this since October.

By evening I can't wait to get to bed I'm so tired, I fall asleep instantly only to awake in the early hours of the morning, and then I
can't get back to sleep again.Sad Hopefully by the end of January the drug should have worn off, sadly the other drugs wont have had time to kick in
but I'm prepared to put up with shuffling on my bottom again to get around the house because I cannot walk, plus very swollen fingers and hands.Unsure

Gogs

Angiecha
#16 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 10:08:36 AM Quote
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Gogs - have they tried you on Amiltryptilene? I use it to help me sleep through. Think I have 10mg. I also take vitamin D supplement called One Alpha that helps a bit with the fatigue - I noticed quite a difference when I started taking them.
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Paul Barrett
#17 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 10:36:21 AM Quote
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So 10 mg prednisolone. You are taking that in the morning, yes, to minimise sleep disruption? At 10mg sleep disruption should be minimal, although everybody's reaction to drugs differs. The 120mg IM jab is a likely suspect. Does it give you much relief? From what you have said, perhaps not much, in which case you might be right to question continuing with them.

Amitryptiline will certainly help with sleep, as a side effect. I am currently on 75 mg and am constantly tired. The thing about amitryptiline is that in high enough doses it will give relief from some of the RA symptoms - at least it has for me.

Sounds like a chat with your GP might be in order?
Paul Barrett

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gill987
#18 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:58:05 PM Quote
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Hi Angiecha

Did you get your DAS score and podiatry referral when you saw your consultant? Also do you attend N&N or JPH? Glad you are in remission. I am also luck with first treatment plan working well and consider myself to be in remission. My thoughts are with those who are not as fortunate.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:48:17 PM Quote
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Thanks Angie and Paul,

Your replies are always helpfulThumpUp

I will ask my GP about Amitriptyline when I next go and see him, and perhaps I wont have
any more high dose steroid injections if I can manage.

Be well both of you.

Gogs xSmile
Paul Barrett
#20 Posted : Friday, December 27, 2013 10:04:40 PM Quote
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Happy to help Gogs

Harking back to my own experience of sleepless nights when I was on 40mg prednisolone there are some other things to try.

1. (sounds easy to say) but the degree to which you can accept it and not worry about had a direct bearing one your ability to drift back off.
2. If you are really wide awake, get up and do something to distract you from your wakefulness.
3. Twinings do a really good tea blend called, appropriately 'Sleep' - at height of my insomnia I drank one an hour or so before retiring and another if a awake in the night. I found that they really helped. Milk at your discretion but I found it best without.
4. How much Ginger is in your diet? It's good for RA but in excess can cause over alertness
Paul Barrett

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